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Title: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Hello all. I'm starting a new build thread as this new build is pretty much 100% irrelevant to my last build. Gonna be posting as many pics as I can, car is currently just about ready to pull out of garage.
I spent 9 months completely redoing the car. Working countless hrs welding , thinking , prototyping ,ect ect.
I must give major props to Paolo as he supplied me with the manifolds and weekly phone calls with ideas ect. I was just planning to redo what I didn't like about the old set up. (spool, overheating, lack of good air filter options, oil feed and drain at the turbo, stupid long charge piping and bends) to name a few.

Im limited on spare time so updates may be on the slow side. Ill let mostly the pictures do the talking. I cant stress enough how much labour was involved. Very proud of the final results, but in the same breath id have to really think twice to take this on again lol.

Here was the original vision I had. This was Paolo's first street front mount build. At this point all I knew is I wanted to avoid air to air and was trying my best to figure a way to retain A/C

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x102kjQRiRY/VZ3bn4ktRQI/AAAAAAAACHU/Cm8BYPURMXI/s800/405.jpg)
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 07:36:02 PM
Here is were it all started. First and formost the most important part allowing me to mount turbos where I believe they belong.
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 07:39:42 PM
Ended up port matching to the striker R heads. The cast manifolds had plenty of meat for me to do whatever.
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Upgraded the wastegates from a 44mm to a 50mm
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 07:53:22 PM
Pictured here is the motor plate. Again props to Paolo on this one. It has made the project way harder yet so worth it in the end. I'm still running the stock mounts but technically they are not being used.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 08:01:13 PM
Ended up buying a new set of twin 71mm divided housing ball bearing turbos. Wanted the divided housing as I wanted to test out Paolo's quick spool design using a second set of wastegates. This is all untested ,but im willing to see what the results will be.

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Laser installation for perfectly level.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 08:09:50 PM
The rat ness cold piping I really wanted out of the picture. Way to many bends and length creating big spikes in heat and lag. And that intercooler simply gives no chance to the coolant system and A/C to work as it sould.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e0dUhc_yFHI/VZ3kipfPasI/AAAAAAAACKY/mz51KDqLo6k/s640/438.JPG)


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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 08:14:13 PM
3.5 -4 inch exhaust in the making. Fully vbanded and internally tig welded where I could

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 08:25:24 PM
Here is where I think the real heart of the system is. A custom sized bell intercooler core with huge 1.5 inch water lines, and next to nothing for cold pipe bends up to TB. The spool and intake temps should be about as good as I could possibly think to make it.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GW2uW-NeDNc/VZ3ncqzJGpI/AAAAAAAACLQ/dSxkz3eWyas/s800/473.JPG)


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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 08, 2015, 08:40:22 PM
I've had nothing but rod bearing problems with my engine. Not gonna get in a big discussion over it but this is my final attempt to fix the problem. 10k for a drysump system. 18 litres of oil in this bad boy. Piston suction (20-40hp) and capable (not planning to) 8500 rpm in a 1/4 mile pass.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IsAKbAy9Puw/VZ3qBDT8L-I/AAAAAAAACL8/AlMrUYRi7nU/s800/413.JPG)

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It opens up tons of stuff underneath , that been said it also runs (3) -16 lines to the back. I also went to a mechanical fuel pump driven by the shaft of the drysump. That is receiving a -12 fuel line from bottom of tank. I spent 6k and steel braided lines and fittings on the build. No that was not a typo lol

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ocTkP0ZNu2s/VZ3raWSxsLI/AAAAAAAACME/uW57qWbfskk/s640/513.JPG)


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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on July 08, 2015, 10:34:38 PM
The pictures are awesome Joel!  I saw the work and a few throw away parts.  You've worked your ass off on this project.  Quality of built is top notch! 

 :goodjob:  I think it's going to take you a few years to get 'er all polished up.   :2thumbsup:

I think you're obssessed with Turbos Bud.  Haha
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 30, 2015, 12:49:04 PM
Intercooler ice box and lids going through the floor to maintain 100% hatch space. The weight is 80lbs when full of water. Water is very heavy as the tank and pump come in at under 20lbs

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 30, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Liquid to oil oil cooler. This is going to be mounted internally into the radiator end tank. Was a huge pain but wanted to maximize air flow to the rad and AC cores only. I purchased this from C@R radiator. It's there biggest one (22 plate) that they offer.
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 30, 2015, 01:00:39 PM
Here is the modded belt tensioner. The belt was running to close to the exhaust and was not allowing full sweep to remove the belt. This is the type of stuff that takes all kinds of time to figure out.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 30, 2015, 01:05:49 PM
Built a new shock tower cross member that also ties into the motor plate. Motor plate ties into upper and lower frame rails making it super stiff package when all tied together

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Bs9AGvkFrrU/Vbp9p9k11tI/AAAAAAAACO8/av68BPUQzzM/s800-Ic42/551.JPG)

Filters and hood hinged closed

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 30, 2015, 02:38:33 PM
Rear feed AC lines. This is an 06 dodge ram cummins compressor. Does not bolt up and has an 8 rib pulley vs the stock being a 7. Spent many hrs welding new mounting points on the timing cover and motor plate.
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You can see how the side AC lines are a no go up against the 3.5 exhaust
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Here I added an idler to get the belt away from the exhaust. Without it the belt was touching
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 30, 2015, 02:48:50 PM
This is the 01 abs front hubs I had to go to for running the traction control. On the rear I have DSS axles that accept the tone rings from any 03 viper cv. Press off and press on.

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New oil filter location. Also about 35% larger than stock.
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on August 03, 2015, 12:37:18 AM
 :2thumbsup:  Mega work Joel.  Good thing you're also a fabricator.

Did you wrap all the exhaust components in the engine compartment? 
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on August 03, 2015, 07:11:00 AM
I originally intended for ceramic coating it all but ran out of time.  The Problem with the wrap is that is eventually get really brital and powders up the engine bay
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on August 25, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rAMHZWxECLU/VdzS5N-z-bI/AAAAAAAACTE/vPdEM_GMxi4/s800-Ic42/IMG_3103.JPG)

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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wl1DvgO57CQ/VdzTBDWSCCI/AAAAAAAACTM/1QQaserOIZk/s800-Ic42/IMG_3105.JPG :D)

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The way the diff gets bolted up just simply cant be compared to the stock diff. It also has a support for the tip of the pinion as well.
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Axle hubs stock vs DSS
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on August 25, 2015, 02:14:07 PM
Powder coating
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Engine assembly
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Pressure testing intake for leaks
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Dry sump pan and timing cover installed
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on August 25, 2015, 02:28:17 PM
Custom built rad with internal oil cooler built into the end tank, as well as custom A/C condensor
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on August 25, 2015, 02:39:19 PM
4" Side exhaust
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: ViperJeff on August 25, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
Damn.................................
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on August 27, 2015, 12:53:34 PM
 :2thumbsup:  A thing of beauty!
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: ZZ SRT on September 30, 2015, 10:36:25 AM
Nice Job!

One thing to keep an eye on, as the exhaust thermall expands, it will get longer and want to push against the back of your cutout in the rocker panel.

You may have to create a little more space at the back so you don't burn up the paint.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on September 30, 2015, 11:06:24 AM
Good to know. Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: Sybil TF on October 08, 2015, 12:31:21 PM
Wow that is Bad Ass!!! Very cool!
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on October 10, 2015, 12:28:15 PM
The car is coming along.  Street driving and working out the bugs.  Makes 8psi boost on launch control and more than that during driving.  Too bad the summer events (drag strips) are finished for the year. 

https://www.facebook.com/joel.fortin.1023/videos/10153010530212003/       
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on December 31, 2015, 06:44:43 PM
Been awhile since I've updated this tread. A lot has happened since, many things I've learned as well. Again I'll just post a few pictures as I go.

The overall new set up has done very well with the original goal. The spool has increased by a solid 1000 rpms, the water temps were amazing up until the last day I drove it, (I'm thinking the fans were not coming on as it only heated up at an idle) it actually took forever to get it up to temperature. Air intake temps were much better tho I think I can do minor things to improve it as well. Very happy with the air filters. Nice and big with zero restrictions, and they are staying clean. What an improvement again. The drysump oiling did wonders for my engine, best money I've ever spent. Wish I did it 5 years ago. The diff runs just like stock. So no improvements there other than a major strength gain in every department. My only complaint is the extra 50 lbs in weights.

The things that went sour are as follows. The infinity box was no good from day one. It left me in a real brain buster costing me some serious time, labor and money. I sent the harness back to rsi to get tested, the box to aem to get bench tested and sure enough the box was bad. I did a ton of wiring on my car during the build so I didn't know who to point the finger at including myself. Ended up getting box repaired and went with nth moto harness for possible tuning reasons in the future. Once I installed there harness on with repaired box everything fired up as it should have. Was sure nice to finally hear the car run on all 10 on time. The car still sounded a little off but I knew it was close to being right. Started looking for mechanicals issues and found a pushrod that was sitting on the lifter face and not in the seat keeping a valve slightly open. Fixed that issue within an hour and started it up. Bang it finally ran like it did before I started the build. What a feeling after 3 months of not knowing where to go. So after all this I have a fully loaded RSI harness on the shelf for sale if anyone is interested.

I was down to about 3 weeks left of driving to do before winter. Did as much testing as possible with minor tuning just to get an ideal of winter mods that I was going to need to do. Overall I'm super happy with most everything. Before putting the car away for the winter I went on a final 1000 mile road trip to visit my friend Ted. On the return trip home a roller on a lifter failed. Sending needle bearings in the oil system. Happy it happened just before parking it but pissed off that I need to replace pistons as I need to bore the block, and my dry sump pump needs a full rebuild as well. Other than that the rest seems mostly good.

The big 680 lift cam is OUT. Going back to lighter valve springs and the stock 708 cam. Hoping the cam will improve spool to offset the lost in top end power.

So on to some pics now. Ill try to keep this thing as updated as possible

   
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on December 31, 2015, 07:29:26 PM
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on December 31, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on December 31, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
Oil pump damage

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on December 31, 2015, 08:01:16 PM
Cam lobe with some minor damage

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on December 31, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Rod bearing improvements from stock oiling to dry sump (middle bearings)

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 01, 2016, 03:55:10 PM
Here is the overflow I built as my heat exchangers are taking up all the room behind the fog lights.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 01, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
Car is coming along in this pic approaching completion.

I also drilled the logs for back pressure testing to monitor if the diverters were creating excessive numbers. The results were none at all and could probably get away with running a smaller turbine housing.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 01, 2016, 04:02:01 PM
Nth moto infinity harness with dual pot switch for complete boost and traction control as desired

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 01, 2016, 04:04:10 PM
Engine temps late fall cool day. I have NEVER seen my gauge read that low.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 01, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
Here are some boost results. 4th gears pulls starting at 2000 rpm's. Again day and night from previous build. Makes an honest 14 psi by 3400 rpm's and hoping to improve it more with the 708 cam and may have more with some tuning. Ran out of time.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 01, 2016, 04:22:29 PM
A few pics of the car on the road trip I took before it all came to an end for the season.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 02, 2016, 12:44:14 AM
Took the dry sump apart and its a very complicated piece. Very nice unit, found all the parts that will need rebuild. Lots of fun.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 03, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
Here is the return filter inside the dry sump tank doing its job. It saved the pressure side of the pressure pump. From there its goes through the engine filter for double filtration.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 03, 2016, 02:34:58 PM
Here is the pinion removed. I was resealing the main pumpkin. It shows the front support boss held by the support bearing. The beef on the caps and everything in general on this piece is nothing to compare to the stock one.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on January 06, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
Excellent pics and description Joel.  I've never seen the inside of a drysump before.

It's too bad you had to cut the cam or you could have had it reground smaller from the looks of it. 

Beautiful Car and excellent quality workmanship. 
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 06, 2016, 07:29:59 PM
Thanks Ted.

Yeah the cam was minor stuff. Unfortunately the lifter had to come out the bottom. Good thing the lifter failed on the rear cylinder of the motor. Not sure how I would have got it out if it was in the middle.
I pushed the cam out the back of the block. Cut the big end off the cam, then was able the get the cam past the lifter and out the front of the block.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 09, 2016, 05:22:02 PM
The one that did all the damage......... needle bearings worn small enough to find there way out.   :mad:

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on January 09, 2016, 08:51:09 PM
If the lifter would have been in a middle section I would have drilled it out from the top and used a die grinder to grind/cut the bottom of the lifter off.  Could have welded something inside the lifter and used a back hammer to pull it out then bored and sleeved that single bore, etc.  your way was probably the easiest and least damaging.

I had a roller cam in one of my Tubbed street cars back in the day and it also dropped a few needle bearings.  I was lucky and only lost the cam and lifter.  I'm amazed at our stock roller lifters of these cars lasting hundreds of thousands of miles. 

Will Isky (that the lifter brand?) warranty the lifters for you?



Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 09, 2016, 09:29:53 PM
These are a jesel lifter.  Some of the best .....

The problem with pulling the lifter was more the fact that is was done blind. I actually thought the roller ears were spread.

The stock lifters do great.  But let's not forget the springs and cam combo is why.  Stock springs are rated around 230lbs at max lift. Mine with the big 680 lift cam was 560lbs. The stress difference on the the needles in general can't be compared.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on January 09, 2016, 10:47:38 PM
I realize that, still impressive considering probably stronger than hemi V springs and the many miles with reliability.  Your lifters were high quality.

Only reason I can see would be that they were in your engine last year when there was some oiling issues that shouldn't have caused lifter problems ...  but ... ?  That lifter shouldn't have failed
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on January 10, 2016, 08:10:54 AM
I talked to my local engine shop about it and they asked me how many passes I got.  I told them passes? It's my weekend cruiser. I've got about 3500 miles on them. All 4 of the guys in there smiled a little and said look no further. This is not a street combo and they were surprised I got that much out of it. They said most guys do 100-300 passes on a set and then they swap them out.

500 passes at 1/2 mile a pass is 250 miles .......


As for oiling I guess it's possible but I don't think so. I inspect all this stuff during assemblie and no lifter had any signs of wear on the rollers. As for warrenty they said to send them in. I'm sure I could get partial warrenty to keep me happy but the cam is out for ever and so are the solid lifters. So not too worried for now. Going back to a stock set up. Not hungry for the extra power and limitations that they come with.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
A lot of time has passed since I last posted. Good news is I have a few new pics to post and a few stories to go with them. Some good some bad. The car is getting better and better as I learn limits and set ups. Just gonna post a bunch of pics within the next week and keep it simple.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:35:44 PM
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This is an old pic I found when the car was under the knife.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:41:54 PM
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Mechanical fuel pump directly driven by the crank (dry sump pump) at half rpm rate
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:47:06 PM
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Machined the CV stub to accept the TC sensor better
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:48:34 PM
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:50:12 PM
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 02:56:31 PM
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Here is a pic of the 4 port boost solenoids. They allow for light wastegate springs yet high boost. You can run 6-7 times your gate springs with these units. Very cool product and highly recommended.
Also my new return filter from peterson for the oil return to tank
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:00:48 PM
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Gen 3 style transmission cross member mod for easy removal of trans. My arms are no longer cut up from the old sharp steel mountsl. This will no longer be used ..... more on this later.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
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Rear knuckle safety brackets
Rear steering, out of control, in the wall, safety first  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:07:41 PM
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Safety loops.
Also will probably have to go with the new setup.....
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:09:53 PM
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:14:22 PM
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Mini tubed the car to make it ready for 30 inch tires if ever
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:20:59 PM
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Breather for the dry sump tank
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:28:39 PM
Ok so that pretty much wraps up season 1

On to winter do overs with engine rebuild and anything that caused issues during the very short first season.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
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Had to get new slugs due to bore damage. Still have 10 perfect pistons on the shelf that are now too small
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
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Piston to valve clearance blueprinting
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:36:14 PM
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CC'ing the heads

Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
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708 cam specs done manually by me. Cam is brand new out of the box.

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Dailey doing what Dailey does. Much respect for this guys product.

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New steering rack bushings. Thanks Ted for the hook up.

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Rear AC compressor and custom lines. Compressor is from an 06 cummins

Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:45:08 PM
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Relocated filter to a much better area. Had oil lines getting in the way of a bunch of possibilities with old location.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:48:04 PM
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Added mufflers to the exhaust. Much nicer on the ears. 
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:51:57 PM
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At the shopping mall on race day.

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A little bit of transmission breaking...... only 6 in 1 season ........
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 09, 2017, 03:55:14 PM
That puts an end to the 2nd summer to now current winter do overs again. Looking forward to the summer coming and hoping to have a few more things dialed in.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on February 10, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
Amazing work Joel.  Having seen some of it I was impressed with the quality.  Excellent.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 10, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
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Doing the annual go over of the motor and this one came out very good. I had a misfire by the end of the season which led me to do a compression test and found a cylinder or two down. Checked all bearings , lifters, rockers, piston tops and everything came out mint. Here is a view of piston tops that show a very level burn between pistons.

Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 10, 2017, 11:43:51 PM
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Here was the one issue I did find. Right in the middle of the valves there is paper thin aluminum and same on the one side of the plug hole. This was causing boost issues and giving misfires. Took the heads to get debured (should have done this when they were new) and gave them a new valve grid.


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Rod bearings once again looking fresh. Didn't even wear off the coating. I did replace these as I was already there and they are a cheap part to replace. But could have easily ran them another season.

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Wrapped the logs and also added vbands for easier maintenance in the future.

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Safety wired the log bolts. Had some come lose on me during the summer.

Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 10, 2017, 11:58:54 PM
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New filters that are much better fitting and more possible total cfm's

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Forgive the dirty car as its under some fab work at this point. Built an air box for testing some of the air temps to see if it makes any difference.

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Air box lid. None of this stuff is final product until it proves itself to be effective via data.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 11, 2017, 12:04:30 AM
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Cooked the coolant pressure tank......Also the blower motor.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 11, 2017, 12:10:25 AM
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Built some shrouds for the heat exchangers. These will force the air to have to go through the cores. Again just some prototype stuff to see if they make any differences.

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Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on February 11, 2017, 12:20:30 AM
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Here are so more air flow cooling testing stuff i'm trying out.

Now waiting to decide what I'm doing for a trans, T56 has no chance with 4000 lbs car with a 3.0 rear end gear and 5500 rpm clutch dumps...........
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on March 07, 2017, 11:11:27 PM
Looking great Joel.  Waiting for Transmission pics.  Since you're signed in to the June Halfmile ...
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on June 22, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
Well I got the TH400 in the car and went 9.6@144@10psi.

Still lots of data to be collected but heading in the right direction after a painful last few months trying to find multiple issues.

The trans has been flawless.  Wish I bought it the day I bought the car. It has surpassed all my expectation and makes a 6 speed a thing of the past for me personally.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: RTTTTed on July 21, 2018, 12:21:31 PM
Awesome work Joel.  Lots of good information in this thread!  You ran a 8.7@ 160mph last year didn't you?

After busting my GForce 1200hp rated T56 I started a Lenco build.  Purchased Lenco and Gear Vendor.  Requires custom slipper clutch and custom made bellhousing etc so I put that on hold for awhile

I was offered a deal on a T400 "kit" and I bought it for half price.  It's a 1200hp build so I'll keep my boost low until I build a new tranny or go back to my Lenco project.

We ran 9.3@169mph on a drag day at Castrol Dragstrip in Leduc!  Car squated and rolled out 300' before cleaning out and running hard.  They kicked us off the track before we got to actually get a good run in.

Gonna be killer once you get it sorted out.  Roll bar and chute installed now.
Title: Re: Front mount twin turbo all out build
Post by: jtin on July 21, 2018, 07:41:07 PM
Yes the car has had a few major changes. The engine and turbo system remain the same. 

As far as the drags go it went 8.7 @ 163 and 9.20@168.
Returned short after that and it went 10.0 @ 169 with bad O2 sensor missing out on the first 300 feet.
Recently went back out and ran 9.20@160 blowing tires at 100ft Mark and lifted a head on that pass. 

It’s currently being rebuilt and by mid August I’d like to run a clean pass from beginning to end.  Hoping for 8.50’s at 170 plus. See what happens.