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JonB - PartsRack
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« on: April 19, 2012, 09:24:07 AM »

Fellow owners:

PartsRack and TireRack are co-sponsoring a head-2-head tire test, with seasoned drivers invited from our friends at the Illinois Club.  One-Lap-of-America entrants and others are looking on with interest, in hopes of seeing an advantage either way.

Each driver will make multiple runs on PS-2, then PSS, with their own SRT10s.  The results and comments will be published here and at TireRack.com on Monday.

As for me, this past weekend we swapped the SRT Viper Cup SRT Challenger Pace Car tires.  We went from the Eagle-F1 OE tires to the Michelin PSS, kindly sponsored by Michelin.  WOW!  Those Eagles only had 1200 miles on them, but are now a distant memory.  Terrible in wet, and kinda squirmy at the limits.  Pushing.  The PSS has such a confident transitional responsiveness, that both Doris and I were able to "enjoy" Road Atlanta like never before.   We took the MoPar Charger and Challenger (and Viper) clubs on some hot lap parades that I am told are on YouTube.  Anyone find them?
 
 We have PSS on 2 cars now, with nothing but kudos to report, dry and wet.   

Road America in  Elkhart-Lake WI is next, May 11-13.............

Stay Tuned for the tire-test results.   JonB~~~~~:<~
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 01:10:01 PM »

Thanks Jon.  I would have expected that the OLD VCA would have been instrumental in arranging Viper tire tests and comparisons to educate their members and get the knowledge to their members in an effort to match the drivers with the best tires for their Viper`s use.  I found that my 720+rwhp Viper couldn`t use anymore power ... until you recommended that I use the new PS2s that you`d tested.  The traction of the PS2s was so much more that my GTS could use full throttle in second gear!  I nearly hooked up the Nitrous kit, but decided to buy a complete Viper to utilize the traction of those tires.  The new car certainly overpowers street tires with the greatest of ease, but I am eagerly awaiting the results of this tire test/comparo and wish I could be there to help wear out some free tires ...    :2thumbsup:

Runcraps (ZPs) on a 600rwhp Roe ...



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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 08:53:42 PM »

 :D  I was doing some testing when I towed my TT GTS back from town after the inspections before Xmas.  Goodyear tire (testing?)



 ::)  Changing that one to get ready to go to California ...
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 08:42:42 AM »

The only bad thing about PSS is they don't offer the 345 25 20!  I had to buy shittos!
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 11:38:50 AM »

Shittos Indeed!   {better than old-had-run-craps tho...} Why not 345-30-20 PSS ?  Fills the wheel-well....have put quite a few on SRT10s...
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2012, 12:10:44 PM »

On a Gen 2, 30 series tires rub all day long, and that's without lowering. I didn't want that and I have seen dave6666 photos of the rubbing. Trust me, I wanted michilins and I can tell you traction is not as good on the street from what I have seen on these invos thus far. I have done 85mph in the pouring rain on the highway without even a bit of skip, I would be skeptical to do the same antics.

The small rubbing I saw I think was from a huge bump I hit the first day driving on the new tires. I ended up with huge scratches under the fascia so that probably caused the rear to touch.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 12:30:40 PM »

As mentioned, PartsRack sponsored a PS-2 vs PSS  Tire Test with SRT10s courtesy of TireRack and members of the Illinois Viper Club.   THANKS to Howie, Dave, and Luke. The results as follows:




AM Testing lap times (45 degrees)
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1  driver: HOWIE FRANK
5 runs averaged: 62.690
best run: 60.869
driver: Luke Pavlick / 59.317 (1.732)
 
Pilot Super Sport  driver: DAVE CATALANELLO
5 runs averaged: 62.342
best run: 60.892
driver: Luke Pavlick / 59.327 (1.565)
 
PM testing lap times (55 degrees)
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1  driver: DAVE CATALANELLO
4 runs averaged: 61.184 
best run / 59.941
driver: Luke Pavlick / 58.132  (1.809)
 
Pilot Super Sport  driver: HOWIE FRANK
4 runs averaged: 60.952
best run: 59.790
driver: Luke Pavlick / 58.298 (1.492)
 
Air Pressure
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1
starting: 32psi front / 28psi rear
finish: 37psi front / 32psi rear
 
Pilot Super Sport 
starting: 32psi front / 28psi rear
finish: 35psi front / 29psi rear
 
Tread Depth
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1
starting: 8.5/32"
Finish: 8/32" (1/64)
 
Pilot Super Sport 
starting: 9/32"
finish: 9/32"
 
Driver input (1-10 scale)
 
driver: DAVE CATALANELLO
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1
Track Cornering Traction: 8
Track Steering Response: 8
Track Braking Traction: 8
Overall track handling: 8
 
Comments:
drove better, more grip and better response with more heat in the tires
additional heat mattered more in these than the PSS
 
Pilot Super Sport 
Track Cornering Traction: 7
Track Steering Response: 7
Track Braking Traction: 7
Overall track handling: 7
 
Comments:
very composed on the street and track but, not as fast or responsive
 
 
driver: HOWIE FRANK
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1
Track Cornering Traction: 8
Track Steering Response: 8
Track Braking Traction: 8
Overall track handling: 9
 
Comments:
great performing tire - sticks great with any driver input when up to temp
slightly noisier than the Super Sport
 
Pilot Super Sport 
Track Cornering Traction: 7
Track Steering Response: 9
Track Braking Traction: 8
Overall track handling: 8
 
Comments:
very predictable cornering but, slightly less grip than the PS2
progressive nature when exceeding available grip
 
driver: Luke Pavlick
 
Pilot Sport PS2 C1
Track Cornering Traction: 8
Track Steering Response: 9
Track Braking Traction: 9
Overall track handling: 8
 
Comments:
immediate reaction to all driver inputs with noticeably better traction under heavy braking and cornering loads
crisper steering response
more grip at corner exit under heavy throttle application
 
Pilot Super Sport 
Track Cornering Traction: 7
Track Steering Response: 8
Track Braking Traction: 8
Overall track handling: 7
 
Comments:
good / similar communication at the limit
slightly more sluggish steering response under heavy braking than the PS2 C1
good feel during repeated transitions
 
Additional Comments:
Both tires could would have benefitted from additional testing, alignment and set up modifications.
However, the Pilot Sport PS2 C1 would have seen greater improvement than the Pilot Super Sport.   
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 02:13:09 PM »

Summary, PS2s are the winner!!! :D

Kinda wish you could have tested the SS against the BFG KDW2s Jon ...   any opinion on that compairson?
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 04:07:59 PM »

Summary, PS2s are the winner!!! :D

Kinda wish you could have tested the SS against the BFG KDW2s Jon ...   any opinion on that compairson?

In the Car&Driver test, the PS2 already took on the BFGs. PS2 won, BFG # 5

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 04:22:58 PM »

I'm wondering where the Mich PSSs would come in in that test ... about #5 (tie with BFGs)? 

YOUR opinion has always been right on for me Jon, so where would you rate them?
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 09:08:42 AM »

Depending on the weather, the PSS might be #2-3, but the #2 tire is now discontinued!
I have ONE SET LEFT  (Kumho XS in 18-19)

We now have PSS on the SRT Viper Cup Pace Car, and on my wife's daily driver Benz. The responsiveness, predictability,  and wet-handling are tremendous.....the traction is a tiny bit less than PS-2, but waaay better than #5-10 place tires
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2012, 09:25:52 AM »


Very good test !

I am pleased to see that PSS is as safe as the PS2. We call the Nitto "widow maker". When the temperature drops below 45F the Nitto gets very dangerous.
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