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« on: March 13, 2011, 08:37:53 AM »

Since the VCA brass is not allowing open discussion of this on that forum, I wanted to open this up for discussion over here...

Here is the link to the proposed changes...

http://www.viperclub.org/members/bylaws-voting/

I don't like the direction the current Board of Directors (BoD) is taking the club.

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ARTICLE I - DEFINITIONS
Updated and added some additional definitions; clarified National Business Office, staffing, chain of command specified, Executive Director to be a compensated position; Operations Manual to be developed and to replace Standard Operating Procedures (SOP); VPA identified
It’s come to my attention that this position would be taken by Mary Marshall, the wife of current VCA VP Chris Marshall.  I have no doubt that Mary is competent, but this is the precise definition of a conflict of interest.  If the Marshalls want to start a business from their home with one as President and the other as VP, that’s fine…but this is VCA membership money, not the BoDs.  Even if I'm wrong and Mary is not slotted for this position...I don't see where the money is coming from.  All of these positions are voluntary and should remain that way until the VCA is in a much better financial situation.

This does not and will not ever pass the eye test.

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ARTICLE IV - GOVERNING BODY
National Board remains the same; Advisory Board updated and responsibilities clarified; professional services retention process clarified; Annual Board of Directors meeting required; meeting attendee costs and expense approval process established; meeting notice process identified

As I understand it, all of these positions are voluntary…and until Chris Marshall became President, all costs associated with the positions were paid by those incurring the costs.  Now they are spending the member’s money for their travel expenses.  I also noticed that the VCA Statement of Financial Position provided in the latest VCA Notes shows that there is very little actual money in the VCA coffers.  I don’t like that the BoD wants to have their expenses covered.  I would gladly pay my own way.  The members of the BoD can resign if these expenses become a hardship.  I'm sure there are plenty of other members willing to donate their time.

This does not pass the eye test.

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ARTICLE V - NATIONAL BOARD
Positions/Titles unchanged; National Treasurer duties revised and updated; member access to review organization checkbooks at annual meetings retained; CPA required to prepare annual Club financial report; two (2) signatories still required for all disbursement checks; National Officer election section expanded to now allow nomination eligibility for National Officer positions for specially experienced and qualified former National Board members and Region Presidents who have each served as either a member of the Board of Directors or as a Region President for at least six (6) years (that is, 3 two year terms) within the previous ten (10) years; term limits unchanged except that revisions now allow the Board of Directors, by at least a two thirds vote, to waive the consecutive term limit on National President.

This does not and will not ever pass the eye test.

I, for one, am going to vote a resounding...NO.
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 09:22:11 AM »

i think the travel expenses were always paid for the meetings ?

does mary own a viper ? maybe she does and then she would be a member and able to run for the board or position.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 11:47:55 AM »

Since they did whatever they've wanted all along (like making up the reasons for kicking me out) why do they even bother to wriite it down?

If 2 officers vote to kick you out (complain) you're gone.  2 complaints against a vendor and he's gone.  I personally know ot 2 complaints on VPoA.  Trevor never received his $5800 hood that he bought from VPoA/vca at VOI11 beginning of October LAST YEAR, and another got shipped the wrong gear ration for his car and now has the wrong gears in his car.  Anyone think that VPoA will get the booT???   :lol: :lol: :lol:  Yup, the new bylaws are a joke.

Vote???  You get to vote?  I was a member for years and never got an opportunity to vote on anything (such as who got to be president).  I heard that the vca has a lawyer on retainer (paid monthly) already.  I presume that Mary or the paid lawyer get to count the votes?  Anyone think they'd let me count the votes? 

I'm pretty sure that these bylaws will be passed, I just don't think that the voting make any difference.  I am prejudiced - because of my experience with this administration.

I was told that Mary already has a contract for 2 years running Fiona's old job.  $60,000 was mentioned. 

Anyone else heard that $10,000 is to be paid to the Hall of Fame couple for their work arranging VOI 11? 

I never received a membership car this year - but I heard that your membership cards are of CMs yellow car.

CM is making cxertain that he can run the viper corp for life.  I think he's copied JonB's business model and JonB will soon be booted out.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 12:39:10 PM »

Its fairly simple. The BoD is positioning itself as paid controllers of an entity [VCA/VPA] and is protecting its interests by thinning out the vendors, and making it very easy to eliminate members/vendors who they would like to oust. They are "fixing" the rules so that no one has any advantage over the VPA, no matter how much time they spend on the VCA site. They are forcing contact to be made over the VCA site, furthering potential contact with the VPA. The VPA doesnt play by the same advertising rules as the other vendors- special avatar only available to VPA?!?. The VPA doesn't have to pay for advertising!

I know personally that JonB is in their sights, big time. The reason being, that the VPA and JonB are head to head. The VPA is already doing exactly what it claimed it WOULDN'T, and that is compete in aftermarket parts. Yeah... that lasted long. However, the VPA and JonB are similar in the fact that they are both PARTS businesses based on Aftermarket and OEM parts only. 99% of the other vendors are service, manufacturing, sales, and parts based, or some combination of those. In short, the other vendors are not major competition for the VPA- they have other sources of income that the VPA has no way of intruding on since it is the wrong type of business model. The VPA has no prayer of putting them out of business even if it gave things away for free, and it knows it. Partsrack on the other hand, could be hurt big-time by the VPA in more ways than one. JonB and I are no better friends than enemies- we do some business and tolerate each other. However, we also don't try and slit each others throats, which is the case for most vendor to vendor relations.

Let me make this clear however: The above message is my opinion of the matter, based on my experiences and conversations. In no way did the VCA come out and actually "say" those things. However, I am not new, nor am I anywhere near an idiot. I can tell when I am being baited and manipulated into having a certain position, but the underlying reason is someone ELSES welfare... in this case, it feels like the welfare of VPoA.

I have no ill will towards the club, and do still act in a directorial capacity for the VCA. I know plenty of good presidents and directors who do whatever it takes to keep the VCA alive. The VCA, as in US MEMBERS. Not the VCA as in BoD. There is a big difference. When they decided to move from club to business, it became an US and THEM, not just a simple US anymore. The BoD is propping themselves up as a whole new tier of Viper owners. They are now Viper owners being paid for voluntary positions out of members money, and trying to make VPoA viable, with members money... surely for their long term benefit, as they are positioning themselves to be in for the long haul. The members have nothing to do with this, and are in fact being taken advantage of in my opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 01:49:36 PM »

YAH DAN!!!   You've got BIG BALLS to tell the truth. 

You wouldn't by any chance have the email that was sent out to the Vendors last spring - denying that he was going to "Blackball" vendors?  I can't remember the content, but there was also an email sent to the presidents back then that had a different story - the one about the VENDOR that was attempting to destroy the club?  Mention was made about a Header manufacturer... :lol:

Chuck was mentioned in one and I called Chuck, it was not true.  I called several Vendors and the letters were untrue.

I sent an email to Voodoo.  Now I'm suspendend indefinitely because I was a threat to the welfare of the club, while being Member of the year.   :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 02:58:53 PM »

Sorry, I don't have that e-mail. In fact, I haven't seen it.

The VCA needs to remember that without us, they cease to exist. Without them, we continue on as usual and replace them overnight.

Keep that in mind VCA.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 03:34:13 PM »

If the club and the VPoA were separate entities I would probably agree with your comments.

I don't feel that I was a "Threat" to the club because I posted a generic pic and a bad joke.  Once it was removed the "danger" was gone.  Then I was lied about by the top VCA officers.  After sending them proof of their lies, they ignored me and continued my Banning.  

I agree that since JonB has always (?) been hated by CM he is at the top of the 'list' to get the boot.  

Being that I was a large contributor to membership drives, always pushing Dodge, Viper and the VCA, spending a lot of time helping people on the forums and that's why I received the member of the year award.  Booting me out was not in the interests of the Club.  It was done illegaly or "in a shady way" since there are bylaws that weren't followed.  Then I was accused of not doing what was "required" as a reason for not re-instating me?  Sorry, but it seems that the "club interests" do not include most of the membership?

New bylaws would allow National officers to decide who's allowed to go to local club events and I don't see that National should be ordering all the local clubs, their events and what friends and spouses they can spend time with, do you?

It almost looks like with less members it'll be easier to run the VPoA.  Booting out anyone that disagrees with you means that anyone in thge "club" is on your side?  All of a sudden the VCA has paying jobs coming up.  Lifetime jobs coming with all the new benefits in the new bylaws for past officers?  Money wasn't a big issue for the club before.  Car Clubs don't usually have EDs and CEOs.  

I spent thousands of hours workjing for the OLD Club and bought thousands of dollars worth of camera equipment so that I could improvew the quality of my Viper Magazine articles.  Guess that'll become a paid position with an expense accounbt now?

It's a massive change from a Car Club to a Car Corp. and I don't see any advantage to the members.
























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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 03:55:15 PM »

Phil...contact your local club president, and ask him about expenses.  My understanding is that only Chris has had travel expenses paid out of the National VCA monies.  Some local clubs may be paying for their President and/or other local Execs, but that's not anywhere near the norm.

Also, I could care less if Mary is a board member or executive director or queen of the universe...she shouldn't be getting paid $60,000 a year...these are volunteer positions.

i think the travel expenses were always paid for the meetings ?

does mary own a viper ? maybe she does and then she would be a member and able to run for the board or position.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 04:10:32 PM »

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that JonB isn't my best buddy, but even I don't think vendors like him should be forced out of the VCA.  He is a very valued member/vendor.  He knows a hell of a lot about vipers and viper history.  He can be very helpful when he's on his medication.  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 04:33:09 PM »

It sounds like to me the VCA is wanting to control who buys what and from where as much as possible.

I was shocked to hear Mary was in the HOF.  Why? :idk:

I have heard of a few Presidents that their travel and hotel expenses were covered to attend meetings.

I also think there are a LOT of people disgruntled with the never-ending rules on the VCA site, they just are afraid to speak up.  BUT...those that do (like the vendor thread that disappeared), they get squelched.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 04:34:22 PM »

i assumed mary was taking the place of that fiona girl. fiona was paid to do her job.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 04:47:34 PM »

It just smells bad to me...BoD members allowed to circumvent term limits... :headscratch:
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2011, 05:22:30 PM »

Phil...contact your local club president, and ask him about expenses.  My understanding is that only Chris has had travel expenses paid out of the National VCA monies.  Some local clubs may be paying for their President and/or other local Execs, but that's not anywhere near the norm.

Also, I could care less if Mary is a board member or executive director or queen of the universe...she shouldn't be getting paid $60,000 a year...these are volunteer positions.


My local pres got paid $500 for the pres meeting is how I understand it and that was instituted a couple years ago by CM?  ALL the presidents get expences.  Even I have no problem with that.  But ALL expences?  Who decides what are travel expences?

I'm the president of a non-profit society.  After paying my own way for $7,000 on behalf of all the 220 businesses that I represented ... the society has bought my room twice.  Not bad consdering the millions of dollars I made for all those businesses.  Last week I still paid for all expences except the room and I paid for the last night myself.  The Board's expences were read at the Annual General Meeting last week to any members and we allowed interested parties to attend as well (society bought lunch for everyone). 

Wasn't the executivbe expences thread closed last spring when someone posted that instead of public accounting now the executive expences are hidden and the members are no longer allowed to see them???  The thread was only up for a day or two before it disappeared.

As always a meal can be a $6 salad or a $90 stuffed tuna with a few $9.00 glasses of wine.  If the person pays for their own expences are self limiting.  Unlimited expoences are ... well, unlimited.  I was reading expences and "limited to" was not in evidence.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2011, 05:24:56 PM »

It just smells bad to me...BoD members allowed to circumvent term limits... :headscratch:

Perhaps a legal opening for someone to become CEO of VPoA and VP or back to Pres for their lifetime?  I was wondering about the lifetime expence accounts ...  and lifetime memberships benefits being paid for by the few members.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2011, 05:33:04 PM »

i assumed mary was taking the place of that fiona girl. fiona was paid to do her job.

I think you're right Phil.  I understand that Fiona got about $40,000?  Fiona must have been trained and qualified.  Anyone know how many memberships there will be now that there aren't any pre-paid Dodge members (1500 per year?).  I know that the specs probably include me as a member.  Membership is way down this year.  Although I convinced about 4 people to join the vca (for this year), I know of 8-12 members that quit because of the way I was treated (I didn't ask anyone to quit).  Many posts here complained that forum posting were way way down on the other forum.

My point being that I doubt that there is anywhere near the amount of membership there used to be.  Other than that info, ...  I don't really have an opinion on this matter. 
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