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« on: September 22, 2013, 01:29:31 PM »

Sent to the Regional Presidents to distribute to their members.

Viper Owners Association FAQ’S - Sept 18, 2013


After announcing the intention to start a new Viper owners club, there have been some questions and feedback from region presidents and members. Those leading the effort to start the new club, and those many volunteers supporting the cause, have committed to distinguish themselves by taking the high road and employing a collaborative approach to starting this new venture. While trying to demonstrate transparency during the process, it's been a challenge to reach out to Viper enthusiasts and club members across the world due to extensive censorship activities on the VCA website forums and also a lack of direct email lists that the VCA currently enjoys. This communication is aimed at answering the FAQ’s. Our mission is to create a world class organization that is appropriate for Viper owners. Feel free to share this document
with your members.
 
Q: Why the need for a new Viper owners club?
A: There are a number of very significant reasons why the decision was made to build a new club. In short:
• A disturbing set of activities have taken place which caused an irreparable rift between the VCA
and our manufacturer. This has not simply been from any recent (or a single) action, the most
recent events have brought this to a head. This goes against the very intent of the Viper club's
original purpose and is also specifically what had made it the best car club on earth.
• There are a number of significant negative short and long term impacts that revolve around
inappropriate management, business practices, and politics within the VCA leadership.
• There are serious complications that exist with the current club relative to crushing overhead,
concerns over the VPA, timeliness/expense of the magazine, concerns with specific individuals,
and a controversial recent raffle which could all create significant ethical and legal liabilities.
• There continues to exist a deep rooted distrust of national leadership. Recent punitive and
aggressive actions taken by current national leadership have created an instability and wholesale
uncertainty within the VCA. In one day, more members were suspended than in the history of the
club. As you know, these included several VCA board members and half of the national officers.
Due to this, more board members immediately resigned. All three founders of the club have also
separated themselves and are in support of a new beginning. The club's own legal counsel has
also resigned. All of this leaving a giant void in leadership, while the folks battling on for the status
quo remain.
• Negative publicity has overtaken the internet and press, permanently altering the perception and
reputation of the current club. Continued public scrutiny has eroded the confidence of general
membership creating an overwhelming outcry for an alternative by regional clubs..
• Several regional clubs have now already left the VCA, while the remaining vast MAJORITY of
regions are in varying stages of determining their destiny. Other regions will follow as they are
waiting to see formal movement begin. However, in the end there will never be manufacturer
support for a broken national entity and many independent regional clubs. Unifying everyone
under one umbrella, and doing so with the priority of providing pure and loyal support of our
manufacturer, is paramount to earning a renewed relationship with those who make our cars.
Regardless of the details and any specific individual blame these facts stand, it's for all of these reasons (and many more less important ones) that a new Viper owners club would benefit everyone by instantly separating itself from the risk, liability, and politics of its history.
 
 
Q: What is the status of the new Viper club?
A: Weekly calls have been held to establish a framework to ensure a near seamless transition of club members from the old to the new club. The focus of the new club will be to return to the core foundation of the original club, that is, to have fun with others who enjoy their Vipers while working together with the manufacturer to promote the many special attributes of our Viper.
 
Q: How will the new club deal ensure inclusiveness for all?
A: Past founding presidents, national officers, and regional directors have been holding weekly calls (at a minimum) to create a club structure that is centered around listening to (and responding to) our members. Current regional presidents are best positioned to communicate with all 3,000+ members across 34 regions, so we have been providing them with information to share will all members. During a call in the next week we will take a vote on the name for the new club. We will conduct annual electronic member feedback surveys and share the results in the new quarterly Viper magazine. The future national entity will be steered more by the regional leadership, rather than a handful on the national level.
 
 
 
Q: Will the new Viper club be adequately resourced?
A: Yes. There are already benefactors who have stepped up to swiftly subsidize the startup costs of a new entity and others have offered their services voluntarily. The outpouring of offers has been overwhelming (and appreciated!) from both individuals and vendors. Once the initial work is done – there will be a way for folks to volunteer for specific areas. The new Viper club will provide full and continuous disclosure of the club’s financial status.
 
Q: What are the plans for bylaws and operating procedures?
A: We have a bylaw committee created to develop a simple and effective set of bylaws appropriate for an enthusiast car club. We will also develop a set of operating procedures issued within the first 3 months of the club’s formation. We will include items that were not addressed in the prior bylaws such as , regional President voting rights (and proxy voting)as well as limiting the power of any single individual.
 
 
Q: Will our current regional club lose the funds in their checking or savings account?
A: No, those funds were collected on behalf of the region or were directly paid by members in the region through their annual dues. Each region can operate under their current not-for-profit status independent of any national entity. All dues belonging to a region will stay with its region.
 
 
Q: What other changes can we expect with the new club?
A: We anticipate a renewed involvement and support from the manufacturer (although we cannot make any commitments for them), increased communication with the members, an open decision-making process, more transparency on financial information, a professional bidding process for expenditures, , less censorship, a much simpler national entity, and more sharing of ideas on how to have fun with your Viper. There is also an overriding philosophy to benefit the regions more, whether it be financial, human resources, or tools. Regions are where it happens,  and we recognize that. It's expected that much of what you love at the regional level will continue as it always has. It's encouraged that regions convert to the new club as a whole. So there is no expectation that a region will keep both VCA and new clubs for members to choose between. Those who do choose to renew with the VCA however, will simply be assigned the
closest neighboring VCA region that is still in existence.
 
Q: When do you expect the new club to begin operation and accept membership applications/dues?
A: The formal start of the new club is January 1st, 2014. Membership sign-up for the new club will begin before the end of this year. Establishment of website, forums, call center, administration, a magazine, and bylaws are all wiftly underway! We are working diligently to ensure a seamless transition and to provide each member with a quality experience.
 
Q: What happens to VPA?
A: VPA is a wholly-owned subsidiary of VCA. As long as VCA continues to exist, VPA can continue to operate. With the lack of financial disclosure, we can’t determine the true risk, total overhead and liability of VPA, however, we do know that it has high overhead in salaries and warehousing costs, and has changed significantly from its original purpose. The new club prefers to focus on the owners, the cars, and the relationship with the manufacturer rather than running a for profit business that competes with other parts of the Viper nation.
 
Q: Will there be a Viper  Owner Invitational event with the new club?
A: Yes, we all realize that the fun from joining a car club, especially a Viper club, comes from having close and positive relationships with other club members as we share participating in various Viper events and the pinnacle of those events are our VOI, so we have established an event committee to conduct the proper research to get the event scheduled ASAP. You will hear more about it over the next few months with the plan to have a location finalized in Q1 2014 so that people can plan vacations accordingly.
 
Q: I'm seeing many announcements coming from the current VCA, what does this mean?
A: We can’t comment on exactly what it means. Unfortunately, we’ve seen and heard similar promises before that have failed to deliver. We are moving forward based on the experiences we have had with the current leadership, as well as a desire to start fresh with the manufacturer.
 
Q: What do I do relative to my current VCA membership?
A: Nothing. Simply continue to participate in the current club, but it's your choice not to renew at the end of the year. You're free to finish the year’s membership and hopefully join the new club for 2014.
 
Q: How can I volunteer my skills or time to the new club?
A: There are many ways to be a part of this inclusive entity. It's exciting to build something so substantial from the ground up and be part of something so historic. Given all the moving parts described above, the best help often comes from those who aren't chosen, but volunteer based on specific things they'd like to be a part of. Just let us know!
 
Q: How can we ask questions about the new club?
A: We are working hard to get a quality web site set up since the current VCA Forum moderators
continuously remove any references to the new club and it's not possible to communicate. Keep an eye out VERY shortly! Until then, escalate your thoughts and ideas through your regional president as we communicate with them frequently.
 
In Short, we are moving ahead quickly with the new club, are well-funded, and have received the support of the majority of the former VCA regions. We hope you’ll be part of this exciting new beginning.


 
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2013, 02:17:21 PM »

Thanks Randal.  I'd like to see the founders names posted but I'm good with the new club. 

I'll wait until Jan, but would it be possible for me to get membership #1?  No?  How about #10?   :D

It'll be good to be considered one of the founding memvers by being part of the beginning of this club.  I encourage everyone to do likewise. 

RIP VCA It'll be good to build a new Viper Club and we will work to surpass the old corrupted one.

Too bad the greed kept the old one from being repairable. 

Can I suggest an ANTI - VIPER Hall of Fame section for Bob Carroll, Chris/Mary Marshall, Marv Spatz and Lee Stubberfield?  Send them all an award for Destroyers section?   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  Just kidding.  It occured to me because Marv phoned me when I first sent a VCA PM to Voodoo (Ralph Gilles) stating the Blackball and PartsRack harrassment.  Marv said that anyone doing that would be classed as an enemy of the VCA, because Chris Marsal WAS the VCA.   :lol:  Loser.

I would suggest waiting about 8 months and then buy the Hall of Fame from Chris Marshall for a couple hundred bucks, or sue his ass off to get it back?  since they no longer retain legal counsel and insurance shouldn't cover legal expenses as this certainly is obvious that those guys have deliberately created this situation through their own actions?

Write me in as a premier member.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2013, 02:50:31 PM »

Will I be able to belong to my local region only if our club decides to join this organization down the road?

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2013, 02:56:31 PM »

Thanks Randal.  I'd like to see the founders names posted but I'm good with the new club.

Respectfully submitted by these tenured leaders in addition to many supportive regional presidents:

• Maurice Liang
VCA Founding President, VCA NorCal Region Founding President, Past National Secretary, VCA Hall of Fame member, 19 year member
• Steve Ferguson
VCA Co-Founder, Past VCA National VP, Past VCA National Pres, VCA IL Region Founding Pres, VCA Hall of Fame member, 19 year member
• Alex Ristanovic
Current VCA IL Region President, Past National VCA Midwest Director at Large, 19 year member
• Randall Arnold
Past VCA OH Treasurer, Past VCA OH Pres, Past VCA Midwest Zone Director, Past VCA National VP, 12 year member
• Jim Johnson
Current CoUtWy Regional President, VCA SW Zone Director, Past CoUtWy Regional VP, 18 year member
• Adrian Byrd
Past NY/CT VP, Past NY/CT Pres, Past National VCA NE Director at Large, Past VCA NE Zone Director, 11 year member
• Tony Perugini
Current VCA NY/CT Region President, Past VCA NY/CT VP, Past National VCA NE Director at Large, 10 year member
• John Wojnar
Past VCA OH Region VP, Past VCA Ohio President, Past VCA Midwest Zone Director, 14 year member
• Janni Cone
Past Carolinas Region President, Past National Director at Large, 15 year Member
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2013, 03:34:39 PM »

Will I be able to belong to my local region only if our club decides to join this organization down the road?

Steve

Randal,

Can you answer this question yet

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 09:29:35 AM »

Randal,

Can you answer this question yet

Steve

Evidently Randal is still researching this question.

Here's a few quick thoughts as to the structure of any new organization.  I may have more  ;)

No monies should be collected by a 'parent' organization and then partially distributed back to local regions. That is/was somewhat senseless IMO.  Let the local regions tend their own dues structure/payment and operating procedures.  This would greatly reduce overhead. Local regions do this stuff for free with volunteers.

The new national org should have no say in how local regions function. They would be an ancillary national arm of Viper owners, but would have no say organizationally over local regions.  Perhaps this is where the Associate Membership comes into play.

The local regions would be able to affiliate with this new organization if they so chose, but any monies needed to run the new operation would be separately collected by the new org and paid for by individuals from regional clubs so inclined to join the new org.  Perhaps people in poorly run/attended regions (or sparsely populated) could just join this larger entity if they felt the need to belong to something

In no way, shape, or form should a Viper owner not be allowed to only belong to his region and only pay his regional dues, whatever they may be. Now that the ties are cut from the VCA, it would seem appropriate, and somewhat simple, to much better segregate local regions from any new national structure.

Steve

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 10:10:42 AM »

I am on the BOD of a national club, and also a local region founding member and President. My local members have often asked why we need to belong to a national club. At least in our club, (National Chrysler Products Club) national carries the insurance, the newsletter, the national meet. Our national dues are $25 and $10 for local per year. You must belong to national to be a local member.

In my thinking, if this is to be a national club with local regions...it all has to come together. Otherwise, you just have a bunch of local separate regions or clubs with no national tie. Keeping all membership dues in-line will help, too.

Finally, (while it doesn't benefit me) I'd like to see non Viper owners welcomed too. How better to get Viper enthusiasts into the fold?
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2013, 10:37:06 AM »

I am on the BOD of a national club, and also a local region founding member and President. My local members have often asked why we need to belong to a national club. At least in our club, (National Chrysler Products Club) national carries the insurance, the newsletter, the national meet. Our national dues are $25 and $10 for local per year. You must belong to national to be a local member.

In my thinking, if this is to be a national club with local regions...it all has to come together. Otherwise, you just have a bunch of local separate regions or clubs with no national tie. Keeping all membership dues in-line will help, too.

Finally, (while it doesn't benefit me) I'd like to see non Viper owners welcomed too. How better to get Viper enthusiasts into the fold?

...and I feel the opposite.  I'd rather see local regions...with an optional national club.  An internet forum is the tie that would bind...   Again, that's all that's necessary to bind the operation together.  I have no problem letting non Viper owners into the national club as Enthusiasts..or Associates. Magazine sales come to mind.    The heavy pulling and bang for the buck is all done at the local level for free by volunteers.

I think some here forget, or overlook the fact, that all was not roses prior to the CM era. Financial transparency at the national level was seriously lacking all through the 2000s. The rules were written to pretty much say: 'the annointed would succeed the prior annointed'.  No one at the top seemed to find that disturbing at all back then.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2013, 10:52:27 AM »

I liked theNational forums as I travelled a lot and it was great to get invitations to members all over the country.  I enjoy "seeing how others live" in different parts of the continent.

Competeing in a world class event like the SSCC in Vegas I often take Wash Vipers along and even Alberta Viper owners.  I keep inviting Leslie and Timbo from WI, but he's always too busy  :hayes:  I ran with Tim Anglin of Idaho and VJ came from Salt Lake City because of this forum. 

Although I did drive to Detroit for VOI X and flew to Salt Lake City for that VOI ...  the wife likes socailizing and I like competeing.  I understand and wondered why there was VCA members so old and feeble that they could barely climb into the Corp Vipers supplied for Viper owners that couldn't bring their cars ...  I overheard one guy saying that the Viper drive reminded him of 25 years ago  Another guy went just so he could beat the sh*t out of the SRTs supplied by Chrysler.  A National org. should be able to keep track of those people and bar them from coming the next event.  Those people scared me and they are why insurance is needed.

A personal corporation (like the VCA has become) should be a choice and would be fine without finacial oversight IF there was honesty and integrity without complete Bull Sh*t.  The Vancouver Camaro Club was privately owned and had a $300 membership fee.  I was one of the largest clubs in the area.  The members were happy, they felt they got good value for their money.  No elections etc.  Honesty was part of that club and it had 350 members which made it a very large local club.

I agree with Steve that national isn't needed for much and 90% of everything is local.  If Chrysler decides to help our Viper club then a National entity would be important.  Unfortunately I haven't heard a single word about any interest from Chrysler and wouldn't blame them if they just considered us as another customer because of what happened after their generous support to the VCA.
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2013, 01:10:52 PM »

I liked theNational forums as I travelled a lot and it was great to get invitations to members all over the country.  I enjoy "seeing how others live" in different parts of the continent.

Competeing in a world class event like the SSCC in Vegas I often take Wash Vipers along and even Alberta Viper owners.  I keep inviting Leslie and Timbo from WI, but he's always too busy  :hayes:  I ran with Tim Anglin of Idaho and VJ came from Salt Lake City because of this forum. 

Although I did drive to Detroit for VOI X and flew to Salt Lake City for that VOI ...  the wife likes socailizing and I like competeing.  I understand and wondered why there was VCA members so old and feeble that they could barely climb into the Corp Vipers supplied for Viper owners that couldn't bring their cars ...  I overheard one guy saying that the Viper drive reminded him of 25 years ago  Another guy went just so he could beat the sh*t out of the SRTs supplied by Chrysler.  A National org. should be able to keep track of those people and bar them from coming the next event.  Those people scared me and they are why insurance is needed.

A personal corporation (like the VCA has become) should be a choice and would be fine without finacial oversight IF there was honesty and integrity without complete Bull Sh*t.  The Vancouver Camaro Club was privately owned and had a $300 membership fee.  I was one of the largest clubs in the area.  The members were happy, they felt they got good value for their money.  No elections etc.  Honesty was part of that club and it had 350 members which made it a very large local club.

I agree with Steve that national isn't needed for much and 90% of everything is local.  If Chrysler decides to help our Viper club then a National entity would be important.  Unfortunately I haven't heard a single word about any interest from Chrysler and wouldn't blame them if they just considered us as another customer because of what happened after their generous support to the VCA.

Ted,

All car forums are national...in fact world wide!  This is a multi national car forum.  Any regional driving event does not need a 'national club' to tie it together.  The regions wanting to offer something up or join hands with other regions (like we sometimes do with Illinois) can very easily be done through an internet forum and email.  The old zone rendezvous probably had more legwork work done by the host club than the national VCA. As for socializing, that could  easily happen with the structure I propose.  You don't need a national pulling the strings for pretty much anything.  Therefore they should be in the back seat...not the front.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2013, 01:24:27 PM »

I suppose it's just the way the club with which I am most familiar operates. I mentioned above how the monies are spent.
I will say that our local region is strong enough to continue along should something terrible happen to national. I can say that even on the national level, our club is all volunteer....and our only big expense is our national meet and newsletter.

I guess a big difference is how much of the club is "web" based. I've heard lots of folks refer to internet forums as "clubs". It's true that when I was in the VCA, it was more the forums than a VOI (that I never attended) or even my local region (For which I was VP for a time).

I'm anxious to see how this new club forms.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2013, 05:04:43 PM »

Will I be able to belong to my local region only if our club decides to join this organization down the road?

Steve

Sorry for the delay.  Got sick last night, had the day off today and decided to stain my deck.  I hurt my right arm and my fingers are numb.  I'm a mess....

Now to your question....  As far as belonging to your local club, I guess that would be up to them.  I'm sure some may be gun shy with a new club.

I prefer to have a national club as it brings everyone under one umbrella so to speak. 

1. website
2. membership
3. magazine
4. insurance
5. VOI or national meets
6. Most important - relationship with the manufacturer.

Chrysler or any major manufacturer cannot have a relationship with each individual region.  Too much for them to worry about.  BUT if an association has a unified voice with the manufacturer, then the relationship with the regions has a better chance of coming together.

The VOA will be as the VCA was set up 20 years ago.  The National Association serves the regions, not the other way around. The current VCA has turned the tables so that the regions are subservient to national.  The VOA will not be that way.     
 

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2013, 05:20:22 PM »

Evidently Randal is still researching this question.

Here's a few quick thoughts as to the structure of any new organization.  I may have more  ;)

No monies should be collected by a 'parent' organization and then partially distributed back to local regions. That is/was somewhat senseless IMO.  Let the local regions tend their own dues structure/payment and operating procedures.  This would greatly reduce overhead. Local regions do this stuff for free with volunteers.

The new national org should have no say in how local regions function. They would be an ancillary national arm of Viper owners, but would have no say organizationally over local regions.  Perhaps this is where the Associate Membership comes into play.

The local regions would be able to affiliate with this new organization if they so chose, but any monies needed to run the new operation would be separately collected by the new org and paid for by individuals from regional clubs so inclined to join the new org.  Perhaps people in poorly run/attended regions (or sparsely populated) could just join this larger entity if they felt the need to belong to something

In no way, shape, or form should a Viper owner not be allowed to only belong to his region and only pay his regional dues, whatever they may be. Now that the ties are cut from the VCA, it would seem appropriate, and somewhat simple, to much better segregate local regions from any new national structure.

Steve



The way I would like to set this up is that the VOA would collect the dues, BUT the regions would get their money on a monthly basis. 

I'm the Secretary /Treasurer of the Lambda Car Club International Buckeye Region.  I have about 120 members in Ohio and our national club is larger than the VCA.  We also pay our membership dues to national and they send us our share of the dues.  The catch is, the regional clubs get their dues checks on a monthly basis.  When someone renews or joins for the first time, the region portion of the dues gets direct deposited into the regions account monthly, NO DELAYS.  We have been doing this for years and it works very well.  I would like to set up this system with the new VOA.

Checkout this thread I started this thread on VA:

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/new-viper-association-info/130210-membership.html

I appreciate all the questions and the ideas that everyone has. 

Ask all the questions you want.  I don't have all the answers, but I'll get the information to you to the best of my ability.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 06:10:05 PM »

 :headscratch:  what's a Lambda?  Thought that was a Greek letter that colleges used to name their student frats?   :idk:
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