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« on: October 06, 2013, 10:04:16 AM »

Re-post from http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/668700-VCA-Drama-what-are-the-known-facts/page7


Re: VCA Drama: what are the known facts?
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I notice that this Marshall person is still answering the phones at VPA. And replying to threads on here.....against the wishes of the membership as has been indicated before.



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Well, I did a search to see how many personal posts I have made in the past six months and this will be my third. The other two consisted of a regional news reminder to the officers in August and one about Hertz Viper rentals in June. VPA and VIPER magazine need to address issues specific to them, regardless of who answers them.

That said, this thread asks for facts and somebody needs to state them. While many of these facts are widely known, most folks are probably afraid to say anything for fear of becoming targets. It would appear that some prefer to attack the messenger and ignore the facts. Nobody wants to be the target of mob mentality when facts are ignored.

Regardless, following are several absolute facts that are documented in board meeting minutes, presidents meetings, voice mails, emails, etc. There is ZERO opinion in any of these facts so please don't try to spin them - or accuse me of doing the same. You can verify these facts with the actual people/companies in question, starting with this one:

FACT: JR Thompson Company chose to end their management relationship with the club, not the other way around. In an unsolicited email from Clay Thompson (President of JRT) dated June 29, 2010 he stated the following, "To let you know what we are thinking, we would like to discuss the transition of both the VCA Membership Database and Support Line to the National Club by the end of this year. As we have seen the Club grow to become more independent each year, it seems only natural that the next step would be for the Club to assume full responsibility for administering membership benefits and support. By developing a solid plan now, we should have a seamless transition by the end of 2010."

FACT: JRT was being paid more to manage the club than Coast to Coast Management was paid. The club was paying JRT $30,000 a year in fixed fees and $5.39 per member in variable compensation. Chrysler was also paying JRT to manage VCA membership and had been since 1995. SRT originally told the club that it was around $50,000 a year and later stated it was closer to $75,000 a year. Chrysler paid all COOL VCA membership monies directly to JRT, of which JRT retained 100% unless the new member signed a privacy release. Note that the club never had any "transparency" on what Chrysler paid JRT on the club's behalf, including COOL memberships that didn't sign those releases.

FACT: Jon Brobst was suspended for contacting a member's employer to complain about that member's personal conduct. Jon admitted making that call, in writing. I did not make that call nor did VPA. I did not make the motion to suspend (Janni Cone did) nor second it.

FACT: That suspension was not conditional on an apology, nor did it automatically lift on January 1, 2013. Dated January 24, 2012, that suspension stated very specifically, "Such suspensions shall be a minimum of 12 months from the date of this resolution and after which time this disciplinary prohibition may be rescinded by the board of directors upon a request for a recession of such suspension by the affected parties and a demonstration to the Board's satisfaction that there has been no material repetition of any offending conduct that was or is deemed disruptive to the club or violative of the Bylaws and policies of the VCA."

FACT: Ralph Gilles pressured the club to reinstate Jon beginning in June of 2012. This is documented in numerous emails, meetings, and phone calls. Each of those involved multiple parties. It is a fact with no opinion or emotion whatsoever. Neither I or VPA could make that decision - it was up to the VCA board of directors to change the terms of the suspension if it so chose.

FACT: The 2013 VCA board of directors met in Detroit after the national officers (with one "proxy" sitting in for Randall Arnold) met with Ralph at Chrysler HQ in Auburn Hills. I was not part of any of those meetings, nor was VPA. From what was stated here and I would assume board meeting minutes, they voted unanimously to keep that extended suspension intact and added an "early out" clause for good behavior.

FACT: Based on what was reported after that same January board meeting, many were upset with the pressure Ralph was putting on the club to reinstate Jon. Some suggested writing letters directly to Chrysler, including Sergio. Again, I was not in any of those meetings.

FACT: Such letters were not like what Jon did, in fact they were almost the opposite. Example: You are a customer and have a problem with a specific Walmart clerk that escalates into some pretty strong words being exchanged. Now, which of these makes sense: A. You contact that person's boss (or even Walmart HQ) to make them aware of the situation or B. Seeing you are still wearing your name tag from work, the clerk calls your employer to tell them how you behaved at Walmart when you were on the clock. Which is acceptable?

FACT: During the 15 years JRT managed the club, there was never a call for transparency. This, despite the fact that most of the club money funneled through a JRT-controlled bank account for which the club had no access or visibility whatsoever. Membership dues, raffle payments, and club management fees from both the VCA and Chrysler went into that account and the club never saw bank statements from that account. The one-page VCA financial statements through 2010 were wholly dependent on what JRT provided.

FACT: The club produced a detailed transparency report and provided it to the board members and regional presidents a year ago. That report included the VPA payroll for 2010 and 2011.

FACT: An independent VCA Financial Oversight Committee was created last year and went over all of the VCA and VPA books. Not one single question was ignored or refused. They presented their findings to the board and regional presidents. One committee member and club founder wrote, "So the great news is that from the financial aspect the VCA is in the best shape of its life span. We are also in the best organizational place the VCA has ever experienced, as we have all sorts of new responsibilities that the VCA is now handling on its own. The addition of VPA should only further assure that the VCA has an additional revenue vehicle to help sustain the club financials on a go forward basis. With the VCA owning 100% of all the VPA stock it is truly an asset that will not only help to generate revenue for the club but also offset VCA expenses, help INCREASE memberships, and truly be one of the best club benefits any Car Club has ever offered to members."

FACT: In the 2013 presidents meeting I presented a financial summary of VPA for 2012, including the payroll. That included $114,642 in total pay - before taxes. Including Herb Helbig, myself, and one other worker, there were three people being paid out of that $114,642 with none making less than $24,000 that year. Then take state and federal income taxes out of that $114,642 as well as Social Security, Medicare, etc. There is nor ever was any health insurance, employee savings plans - nothing. Others donated their time for free.

FACT: The VCA board has never been denied a VPA financial report and all such requests were honored. VPA just finished the year-to-date report for the quarter ending 9/30/13.

FACT: The rent and utilities for the VPA parts warehouse paid to Tim's company is the same as what is charged by the actual building owner. The only reason it is not billed directly to VPA is that the building owner requires a long term contract and social security number (not EIN) of the leasing party. That rent is under $3,000 a month and better than just about anything else you could find in this area according to LoopNet - especially on a month-to-month agreement.

FACT: The extended delay for VIPER magazine was outside of Coast to Coast's control, as was how the most recent raffle was conducted. If the VCA board wishes to comment that is up to them. I would encourage folks to look at other car club raffles and see how they conduct them, including licensing. Google "car club raffle".

FACT: This "other club" was being planned over a year ago by many of the same people currently involved - well before any recent developments.

These facts are all documented and are not opinion. Indeed, the only "opinion" was asking for yours on how a customer should deal with a problematic Walmart employee. It is a redundant question and I will not be following up to see how it is answered. Indeed, don't expect another personal post from me for some time to come.
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 03:28:49 PM »

Wow, another load of BS.  Although CM announced at the president's meeting that he was forced to hire Mary and set up VCAheadquarters because JRT suddenly quit the club ...  I wrote for Viper Magazine and Bob Mason (editor) told me in beginning of Oct (2 months before CM was "surprised")  told me that VCA had fired JRT and the Fall magazine was the last one they'd produce. 

I see that although the poster says that C2C was cheaper than JRT he forgot to add the amount of money that VCA pays to Mary Marshall and all her "expenses necessary" are not free.  Those monies were obviously not counted by him...

I have pointed out that one of his "facts" are a LIE and another is biased and can't be considered as it is only part of some facts.

I got tired of reading his crap after that. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 06:35:52 PM »

From CM's latest

"These facts are all documented and are not opinion. Indeed, the only "opinion" was asking for yours on how a customer should deal with a problematic Walmart employee. It is a redundant question and I will not be following up to see how it is answered. Indeed, don't expect another personal post from me for some time to come."

I'm not sure many will be disappointed.  This means either he will use someone else's account, or someone else's name.  His hatred of JonB has totally consumed him. It has reached a point where it is almost pathetic.  it's becoming hard to watch.  I almost feel sorry for him.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 06:52:52 PM »

His hatred for JonB is old news.  When it indicated his Paranoia was when he was president of the VCA and started Using the national club to proxecute Jon and then he copied Jon's business model with the VPOA, even though the facts were that he wasn't going "to compete with the Viper businesses that were already in existence.  That was completely unproffessional and showed his mental aberations.  When Marv Spatz was elected and one of his first acts as the new President was to make my 2 month suspension ( :lol:  supposedly what CM had begged the BoD for) the same suspension that Jon is under (forever).  Marv and CM often stated to the VCA forums and many people that my suspension was temporary, LOL.  Liars and cheats.  I am amazed anytime someone believes anything that CM and his group say.  Repeating what CM says makes the person a liar too.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2013, 02:21:34 PM »

LOL, http://thevipergarage.com/index.php/topic,5740.0/topicseen.html  should answer a few of CM's "FAKE facts" posted above.  It is a LIE to say rent is under $3000 for VPoA when the warehouse rent in Mi for the "garbage tooling" is so much higher than that.  I guess CM is telling us that he now pays under $3000 for only his friend's warehouse?  Since the reported warehouse rent was $5000 last time I read about it ... I would have to guess (since you're a liar Chris) that there is probably $4K in Mi, $3K in your town plus parts, "expenses" and other considerations.

CM wrote;  "FACT: The rent and utilities for the VPA parts warehouse paid to Tim's company is the same as what is charged by the actual building owner. The only reason it is not billed directly to VPA is that the building owner requires a long term contract and social security number (not EIN) of the leasing party. That rent is under $3,000 a month and better than just about anything else you could find in this area according to LoopNet - especially on a month-to-month agreement."  LIE

Another "Fake fact" is that elsewhere in this site Lee Stubberfield posted that YOU received "No money, cash or considerations for his efforts towards VCA or VPoA".     more LIES
 
CM wrote; "FACT: In the 2013 presidents meeting I presented a financial summary of VPA for 2012, including the payroll. That included $114,642 in total pay - before taxes. Including Herb Helbig, myself, and one other worker, there were three people being paid out of that $114,642 with none making less than $24,000 that year. Then take state and federal income taxes out of that $114,642 as well as Social Security, Medicare, etc. There is nor ever was any health insurance, employee savings plans - nothing. Others donated their time for free."
 
It is so wonderful that although you called JonB and I liars about the facts we reported years ago, now you are showing everyone that YOU are and continue to be the LIAR - which inspires many of us to create a Hall of Shame for you and your Liar buddies.  We apologize to anyone we mistakenly identify as a Liar if they were just foolish enough to actually believe you ...  :lol:

When I get bored I guess I could come to this thread and read more "CM FAKE facts" and disprove them with CM's own words also?   :headscratch:   :lol:
 


 
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"FACT: JR Thompson Company chose to end their management relationship with the club, not the other way around. "

There are different point of views on this. Let's say JRT was just as much as disgusted in 2010 as Janni when she quite in 2012. JRT gave up in a gentleman's way in 2010. In fact some members of the Bod director were already wanting JRT business back in 2006. The first idea of taking JRT business dates backup from that time. They (you know exactly who) were actively collecting information to kick out JRT but they never could do it because JRT was doing a good job. Though they were expensive. So the idea was to setup a similar management company but the oppotunity was just not there yet. Finally after many confrontations JRT gave up in 2010. Kicking out JRT would have cast a shadow on the now know greed problems but since JRT resigned it was a clean divorce.



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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 09:45:34 AM »


"Jon Brobst was suspended for contacting a member's employer to complain about that member's personal conduct."

The fire was already burning in 2010. They openly attacked Jon for whatever reason. In fact since 2008 all contact was cut with Jon on the BOD level. In Salt Lake City whoever participated at Jon's dinner at Little America was a target. This is how Ted got Kicked out. All who befriended with Jon were targets. Jon was on all conversations, he was an obsession for ALL Bod members (except 3) even those who are now at VOA. Questioning Jon's suspension was a crime.

Calling that employer ? LOL Now VCA wants to stop/monitor phone calls  as PMs ?! That's 100% Jon's business.

I could complain about a VCA guy who was trying to resell me a Viper from Ebay !
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 09:49:13 AM »


The rent and utilities for the VPA parts warehouse paid to Tim's company

All red lights were on ! The same team were running after additional business in 2013, didn't ? The dream was to control the entire automobile industry?!
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 10:03:01 AM »

"FACT: JR Thompson Company chose to end their management relationship with the club, not the other way around. "

There are different point of views on this. Let's say JRT was just as much as disgusted in 2010 as Janni when she quite in 2012. JRT gave up in a gentleman's way in 2010. In fact some members of the Bod director were already wanting JRT business back in 2006. The first idea of taking JRT business dates backup from that time. They (you know exactly who) were actively collecting information to kick out JRT but they never could do it because JRT was doing a good job. Though they were expensive. So the idea was to setup a similar management company but the oppotunity was just not there yet. Finally after many confrontations JRT gave up in 2010. Kicking out JRT would have cast a shadow on the now know greed problems but since JRT resigned it was a clean divorce.

BUT, MM was appointed Exec Director and given the HQ with an open expense account "for what she deems necessary".  CM/Marv stated at that meeting that "it was a complete surprise" which was utter drivel.  Bob Mason (JRT's managing editor) told me that that winter issue was the last one they were going to publish.  JonB knew that JRT was finished.  CM/Marv Lied about the surprise since they arranged the break.  It was a very convienent way to add another director and set up more Marshall finances and increase control of the vca.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2013, 10:27:49 AM »

"Jon Brobst was suspended for contacting a member's employer to complain about that member's personal conduct."

The fire was already burning in 2010. They openly attacked Jon for whatever reason. In fact since 2008 all contact was cut with Jon on the BOD level. In Salt Lake City whoever participated at Jon's dinner at Little America was a target. This is how Ted got Kicked out. All who befriended with Jon were targets. Jon was on all conversations, he was an obsession for ALL Bod members (except 3) even those who are now at VOA. Questioning Jon's suspension was a crime.

Calling that employer ? LOL Now VCA wants to stop/monitor phone calls  as PMs ?! That's 100% Jon's business.

I could complain about a VCA guy who was trying to resell me a Viper from Ebay !

Jon was targeted after VOI 11 and was often on "Double Secret Probabtion".   I think they invented that term just for Jon. Remember when he was moderated for posting Tomball's link and saying, "Thanks for setting the Nurburgring record"   :hayes:

They really did keep him muzzled by "moderating" his postings.  Sometimes Jon would answer a question and their "moderator" wouldn't allow Jon's answer to appear on the forums until there were enough replies that adding Jon's post looked bad.  I thought CMs plan was to get rid of Jon, but now I think he wanted to torture him first.  What a load of crap.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2013, 02:34:26 PM »

Remember when he was moderated for posting Tomball's link and saying, "Thanks for setting the Nurburgring record"   :hayes:

Hahaha, the PM's I got for starting a thread to do an Owners sponsored 'Ring record... OMG...One PM - MM sent me said "What you are doing is a slap in the face of all the SRT engineers!" I said WTF? I instantly contacted a SRT engineer, said hey, if the membership did this with a 2010... would you guys be happy or would you feel like it's a slap in the face? LOL

The Engineer checked, and said the guys are excited about it! Do it!

I replied to MM... She backed down, then my thread was closed by CM, saying no member run was going to happen... How convenient...

Guess they wanted the free trip to the 'Ring?
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2013, 03:22:27 PM »

Hahaha, the PM's I got for starting a thread to do an Owners sponsored 'Ring record... OMG...One PM - MM sent me said "What you are doing is a slap in the face of all the SRT engineers!" I said WTF? I instantly contacted a SRT engineer, said hey, if the membership did this with a 2010... would you guys be happy or would you feel like it's a slap in the face? LOL

The Engineer checked, and said the guys are excited about it! Do it!

I replied to MM... She backed down, then my thread was closed by CM, saying no member run was going to happen... How convenient...

Guess they wanted the free trip to the 'Ring?

LOL, Lee? ... reported that VCA only paid for 1 trip.  MM "paid for her own"  :lol:  Sorry, smart people can't hear the words of a proven Liar.  Smart people assume that when everything provable is proven a Lie and the other stuff usually comes to be proven (usually by CM himself) more Lies.  Hall of Shame events ....   :clap:
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2013, 03:37:53 PM »

yes, just like Dawn W, had her own membership when she won my car... :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:

Damn I wanted that car...  LOL
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2013, 05:42:02 PM »

You mean D. Wollesen?  She wasn't a member before (like the past VCA Raffle winner) but when she won the car T. Wollesen's Viper belonged to her suddenly?   :headscratch:   

We know that you can't join the vca as a member - sometimes even if you DO own a Viper - RIGHT Mary Marshall?  The 2000 Viper ACR that BADACR bought was in my garage beside my Sapphire GTS when MM refused to allow my wife (Deana) to join the VCA (since we were participating in VCA events) because, she wrote, "We have that Viper registered to another member."  That other member bought a vette with the money from the ACR and then he bought another GTS later. 

The recent Raffle winner wasn't allowed to buy a Viper of borrow the title to someone else's Viper as D. Wollesen did to win hers???  At least if I understand you correctly?

If this is true then this should be another Hall of Shame posting ...?
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2013, 07:03:33 AM »

Who really knows the FACTS anymore... What I remember...

At the time it was claimed Dawn had her OWN membership in the club... She paid for Venom was the claim. OOOoo she was in a dental chair when they called her to say she won.. LOL I'm sure she did pay for $150 for venom... once she knew she was going to win the car... LOL
Its one thing to buy tickets to a raffle, and not win... but to not have a chance to win... that irked me.

I felt like the fix was in on that raffle...

She/they won the car, then immediately put it up for sale for a shit load of $... Probably because the cost to build the car was over $750k.
I heard the car was going to an auction... I don't know if it did or not.

Guess I'm still pretty bitter huh?  :thankyouverymuch: :thankyouverymuch:

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