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Title: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on September 10, 2013, 07:44:02 AM
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/10/porsche-918-spyder-frankfurt-2013/
Title: Re: 4 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: shooter_t1 on September 10, 2013, 11:59:49 AM
Um,
I don't know where people get their info sometimes. That 6:57 is 15 seconds faster then the ACR's 7:12 time, as the non street legal ACR-X's time does not count.
Title: Re: 4 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on September 10, 2013, 12:06:46 PM
What's the price on that one?  $500,000?  I was waiting for the Maclaren hybrid (equivalent of 950hp) to beat ours, but "money talks" if there is the focus to accomplish something - it can be done.  Bummer though  :(
Title: Re: 4 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on September 10, 2013, 12:17:21 PM
Um,
I don't know where people get their info sometimes. That 6:57 is 15 seconds faster then the ACR's 7:12 time, as the non street legal ACR-X's time does not count.

You're right shooter... I didn't actually think about the math...

It was posted in Autoblog


That's over four seconds faster than the Dodge Viper ACR that has held the record for street-legal production cars for the last two years. It's also faster than the Gumpert Apollo, and just behind the barely-legal Radical SR8. And maybe best of all, it gives McLaren something to keep gunning for. Go ahead and scroll down to watch a video of the 918's 'Ring adventure.
Title: Re: 4 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on September 10, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
What's the price on that one?  $500,000?  I was waiting for the Maclaren hybrid (equivalent of 950hp) to beat ours, but "money talks" if there is the focus to accomplish something - it can be done.  Bummer though  :(

List is $845,000 then there is the Weissach package: $84,000 worth of carbon-fibre, titanium and magnesium enhancements for a total weight savings of seventy-seven pounds. And no stereo.
Title: Re: 4 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on September 10, 2013, 01:03:13 PM
List is $845,000 then there is the Weissach package: $84,000 worth of carbon-fibre, titanium and magnesium enhancements for a total weight savings of seventy-seven pounds. And no stereo.

With that high of a price tage the question remains ... will they build the 1000 per year that is required to be consided a "production car"  Maybe they can't beat the PRODUCTION CAR record?  It is easy enough to build a tuner car to beat the stock ACR record, but that moves it out of the PRODUCTION CAR catagory and it just becomes a one of 12 or whatever mega buck tuner cars. 

I wish Chrysler would build a $5,000,000 6minute machine.  Should be easy enough when you have all that money?  Toss is some controllable jets to push the car around the cormers and accelerate ...   :lol:  A Real Batmobile.  Use an anchor to turnthe hairpin, etc  :lol:
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on September 10, 2013, 01:13:30 PM
It's really insane that in 2012 the 918 was 7:14 at the 'Ring... and now set a record at 6:57  :eatspopcorn:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/um-wow-porsche-918-laps-nurburgring-nordschleife-in-7-minutes-14-seconds/
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on September 10, 2013, 02:52:58 PM
It's really insane that in 2012 the 918 was 7:14 at the 'Ring... and now set a record at 6:57  :eatspopcorn:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/um-wow-porsche-918-laps-nurburgring-nordschleife-in-7-minutes-14-seconds/

I won't be impressed unless they actually make 5000, like the Viper had made.  That is what slows cars down.  Easy to make one or 20 and lose a lot of money.  To make 1000 would ruin a company just from warranty claims pluse they would sepnd so much building those cars that it would lose billions to claim a record?  Kinda takes the fun out of it. 

Not sure how much faster the Ring ACR wiould go with my 1500whp engine installed in that car, but it would probably only require a couple hundred more hp to remove 20 seconds from the ACRs time.  Chrysler isn't about to spend all that money just to beat a couple of million dollar cars.  If there was 1000 of thsoe cars that might make it worth chrysler's effort to kick their ass again?
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on September 10, 2013, 03:19:49 PM
What I think makes it interesting is this is a hybrid... 1 gas engine and 2 electric engines...
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on September 10, 2013, 05:37:36 PM
It sure took them long enough to figure it out.  I'd just add another couple hundred hp and delete any warranty.

I even think that Ralph should install the Challenger Drag Pack engine (adapted of course) into a few of the new Vipers and add the ACR package.  Say, make it a new ACR model and charge an extra $800,000 for the half dozen they should build just to spank the Porsche and the Maclaren.  I'd love that ...
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on September 10, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
They plan to build 918 of these hybrid Porsche's
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on September 10, 2013, 08:41:49 PM
That is about the same technology that Dodge and Caddilac sold for a couple of years?


See how many they build.  Does Porsche sell that many cars that they can possibly build an extra 1000cars in only a year?
Title: Re: 4 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: shooter_t1 on October 06, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
With that high of a price tage the question remains ... will they build the 1000 per year that is required to be consided a "production car"  Maybe they can't beat the PRODUCTION CAR record?  It is easy enough to build a tuner car to beat the stock ACR record, but that moves it out of the PRODUCTION CAR catagory and it just becomes a one of 12 or whatever mega buck tuner cars. 


I just noticed this. You know they have never built 1000 ACR's in a year right.
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on October 06, 2013, 10:49:59 PM
Nascar required 500 cars to be built to qualify for production car classification.  They've made more than 25,000 Vipers and there are 5 different styles.

Salt flats require "available at a multitude of Dealerships or the parts avarialbe at a dealership to be classes as production car class ... 
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: shooter_t1 on October 07, 2013, 08:40:10 PM
Nascar required 500 cars to be built to qualify for production car classification.  They've made more than 25,000 Vipers and there are 5 different styles.

Salt flats require "available at a multitude of Dealerships or the parts avarialbe at a dealership to be classes as production car class ...

It's called Homologation. And it's only for race series. Has nothing to do with whether a car is classed as production.
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on October 07, 2013, 09:52:17 PM
Nascar didn't allow any unlimited "race cars" to compete in stock classes, only production cars.   

NHRA also required that at least 500 cars be built to be allowed to run in their production classes, such as the Hurst Hemi 'cudas and Hurt Hemi Darts.  They are the world's quickest production cars and hence they are the "A" class in stock classes. 

Don't think there are any requirements for Lemans since the GTSR isn't anything like a Viper and they only built 2 or 3?

Not sure any of this matters since the Nurbergring record is open to interpretation.  Here's the list of recorded street legal lapt times;


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
6:48
 
Radical SR8 LM
 
Michael Vergers
 
19 August 2009
 
Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tires. Radical Sportscars[5][6][7]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
6:55
 
Radical SR8
 
Michael Vergers
 
28 September 2005
 
Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tires. Radical Sportscars[8] Timed by Sport Auto [9][10][11]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
6:57
 
Porsche 918 Spyder
 
Marc Lieb
 
4 September 2013
 
'Weissach Package' with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. Observed by Sport Auto.[12]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:11.57
 
Gumpert Apollo Sport
 
Florian Gruber
 
13 August 2009
 
OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires. Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:12:13
 
Dodge Viper ACR (2010)
 
Dominik Farnbacher
 
14 September 2011
 
SRT conducted test. Video and manufacturer confirmed. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup R compound track DOT competition tires. TTAC article.
 Chrysler press release [8] [9]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:14.64
 
Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package
 
Akira Iida
 
31 August 2011
 
Lexus conducted test. Video confirmed. Stock LFA with "Nürburgring Package". OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE070 street tires. Additional Roll Cage was equipped. [10][11]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:14.89
 
Donkervoort D8 RS
 
Michael Düchting
 
2006
 
Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:18.1
 
Donkervoort D8 RS
 
Michael Düchting
 
24 October 2004
 
Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:18.6
 
Nissan GT-R (2013, 2014)
 
Toshio Suzuki
 
October 2012
 
Nissan conducted test.[13][14]Video Confirmed.[15]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:19.63
 
Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012)
 
Jim Mero
 
9 June 2011
 
General Motors conducted test,[16] base specification car with optional track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure), video confirmed.[17]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:22.1
 
Dodge Viper ACR (2009)
 
Tom Coronel
 
18 August 2008
 
Chrysler and Motor Trend conducted test.[18]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:22.68
 
Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 (2012)
 
Jim Mero
 
23 June 2011
 
General Motors conducted test,[19] base specification car with optional track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:24
 
Porsche 911 GT2 RS
 
Horst von Saurma
 

Sport Auto (11/2010)[20]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:24.22
 
Nissan GT-R (2011)
 
Toshio Suzuki
 
1 October 2010
 
Nissan conducted test.[21] Semi-wet conditions. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (12/2010).[22]
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:24.3
 
Maserati MC12
 
Marc Basseng
 
August 2008
 
Evo Magazine conducted test
 


20,600 m (67,600 ft)
 
7:24.44
 
Pagani Zonda F Clubsport
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on October 07, 2013, 10:03:35 PM
I suppose this is the Nurburgring's classes;

Production, street-legal vehicles
 
Both "production" and "street legal" vehicles are not easy to define. The Nürburgring is a public (toll-) road, and regulations of Germany and the EU apply. For the purpose of this list, a car is “street legal” if it comes with a manufacturer-provided certificate of conformity that allows the car to be registered in any country of the EU for road use. For the purpose of this list, existence of this certificate (either European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval (ECWVTA) or European Community Small Series Type Approval (ECSSTA)) is understood as a demonstration of intent for some kind of mass production. A production vehicle is defined as "one that is put into mass production, as a model produced in large numbers and offered for sale to the public."
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: Viper Girl on October 08, 2013, 07:24:50 AM
I don't think Radicals are street legal anywhere...

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/uk/showroom/radical-sr8-rx.aspx
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on October 08, 2013, 11:14:09 AM
"For the purpose of this list, existence of this certificate (either European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval (ECWVTA) or European Community Small Series Type Approval (ECSSTA)) is understood as a demonstration of intent for some kind of mass production. A production vehicle is defined as "one that is put into mass production, as a model produced in large numbers and offered for sale to the public."

All they require for their definition of Production car is a certificate which they say "shows intent to build mass production"  The compoany doesn't actually have to build more than the car that they run? 

Perhaps they should have classes according to cost?  That would put vette, GTR and Viper in a class all by themselves I would guess. 
Title: Re: 15 seconds faster than our ACR!
Post by: RTTTTed on January 01, 2020, 05:11:17 PM
Last attempt was 7.01 2018 ACR E production Viper.   Car eould have gone faster but there was a lot of money and time wasted due to rain.  Twice front tires blew out on the cars and both crashed because of it.  All drivers said the car could go faster, with more time.  Although there are 2 faster million dollar AWD 900bhp Hyrids taht ran faster the Viper is still the worlds fastest manually shifted production car in the world!

With the new C8 vette eventually coming out with dual clutch 8 spd trans and rear engine it may surpass the Viper ACR - but manual transmission is no longer an option so it looks like the Viper world record will stand.